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The Longest Endgame (following Liverpool away)

By Adam Rivellini

Catalysts for change are unicorns in the world of Arsenal

One of the things that comforts me and many Gooners at times like these are the works of erudite bloggers and sites such as onlinegooner.com. Misery loves company.

I was taken by a comment that Tim Stillman made on the great Arsenal Vision podcast recently where he framed managers into a number of groups. Paraphrasing, Tim outlined “Great” Managers as those who see problems coming before they land and proactively take action to mitigate… he came onto “Poor” Managers who create problems for themselves.

Salient wouldn’t you say?

While the majority of Gooners saw a bad result coming at Anfield, I think many of us were yet caught out by a new side to Wenger. The masochist. Some might say the saboteur.

It didn’t need someone with a doctorate in psychiatry to diagnose the Ox as being unlikely to be in a fit state of mind to give 100% for the Club. As for playing players out of position, it also doesn’t take a schoolboy to tell you Bellerin can’t play LWB… There’s then the odd contrasting cases. Another with his bags packed, Mustafi, is left out. You then have apparently “confidence broken” Rob Holding reinstated against a top attacking unit.

Wenger’s desperate shoe-horning of Ox into the side, shifting Bellerin to his unnatural side while benching Bundesliga LWB of the Year Kolasinac is evidence in microcosm that Wenger is set in his ways and finished. He does not learn from his mistakes and catalysts for change are unicorns in the world of Arsenal.

Wenger has become the spider that spins a web of contradictions and false paths.

He is discomforted by confrontation, thus rendering him paralysed from making the decisions needed to favour the whole, over the parts of his team. This above all else is the most harmful characteristic of Wenger. It has impaired the club year on year from refreshing and upgrading a stale squad of players. In games, we all recognise the symptoms - wedging favourites into a side, reactive changes, 70th minute substitution thresholds…

Wenger in playing people out of position that want out of our club, while reducing the side’s balance, underlines everything we fear about the man. Blindly loyal to favourite players, amplifying their weaknesses to the detriment of the side. It was almost surprising that Ox wasn’t made captain.

As another fabulous fan and observer @clivepafc said “He cannot make the changes required to the culture. He is too interlinked”

He is a poor manager by Stillberto’s definition. He has evolved to a state where problems of his own making are taking the club backwards.

It is true that Kroenke and co have to go too. But what I and many have observed for years is a Manager that, irrespective of Board issues, is well past delivering results at the top level that is commensurate with the resources at his disposal.

This summer the club bottled it’s best opportunity to move Wenger on.

We have this to owe to dysfunctional ownership and a weak board that are out of touch, culpable of failing on a grand scale in diminishing the net worth and performance of an institution that has vast potential.

The quality of our leadership is weak at all levels of the club – from the top down to on the pitch.

The operating model is broken. Evidence of the merits of every model other than ours envelopes Arsenal’s. The saddest indictment is how such an intelligent man can make such stupid decisions. What is a Director of Football? Arsene – it is someone that could have transformed your stagnated squad of 33 into a lean and hungry group for you to focus quality time to coach – making market value out of departures. It is someone that has turned over tens of players this summer at the likes of Monaco, Milan, Juventus, Sevilla, Atalanta, Dortmund and countless other sides while helping build and retain an identity, increasing the collective level of performance.

What Arsene also knows is that it is someone that makes his role increasingly focused, with relinquished control. The masochist (or self-preservationist) could not allow that, even if it benefitted the whole, more than the individual.

We can all point out incredulous actions from The Professor such as benching his £50m in form striker, playing full backs at centre back, perennially failing to address the classic couple of obvious weaknesses in our squad that would turn us into potential title challengers, not preparing us in pre-season for the first few matches, being unable to do tactics, not learning from mistakes, not approaching top opponents accordingly and so on.

What we should all do now is determine what we do. I believe we need to make our voices heard. Ignore press, pundits and media. Here you will find a shield of contradiction and idiosyncrasies that protects Wenger. They call it disgraceful to protest against the manager, deifying him in turn. They love criticism but offer no solutions. That is because solutions take away the biggest story-writer the media-hacks have ever had the pleasure of making a living off of.

In my humble opinion it is time for a combination of respectful protests inside and outside the ground. Inside the ground is often frowned upon, seen as harmful to our team’s performance. Exclusive – nothing can make this team any less competitive or honourable than what I have seen of late. It is not distasteful to make your voice heard, providing you do it with respect, using the only forum we have. While staying away has also been suggested, I just don’t think the level of coordination required renders it possible; it also goes against the grain of what underpins football – that inner love of your club that you cannot switch on and off at will.

What we witnessed on Sunday was utterly disgraceful. My interpretation is that we (and others in the club that lost their power struggle…) are held in contempt by the manager.

I wonder now if even our weak board will take note. The reduced revenues of last season’s result could just be the tip of the iceberg. The financial impact of Wenger’s “last days of Rome” are not rounding errors on the P&L.

He is making decisions wilfully to “make points”, divorced from perspective and clarity of mind needed to make sound professional judgement. The final nail in the coffin with the fan relationship was citing us as a contributory factor to last season’s demise. Your biggest mistake Arsene.

When was the last time you heard Wenger taking responsibility for a defeat or a mistake?

Maybe, just maybe, had Wenger shown some humility in recent years, we might have afforded him more leeway.

Now, instead, we await him making the most improbable and ruthless decision of all.

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30th August 2017 10:27:54

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Yes its Ron  11:18am 30th Aug 2017

I noted that Baddie said some where in an earlier thread that change will occur at AFC soon enough. Hes right if he means that however poor the team is and further becomes, AFC wont effect change until its their own considered time to do it and as per their own agenda, not the fans agenda. The Club has always been that way. For my part, though i never saw the Liv match, i did see a snap shot of Arsenes post match interview. The water bottle was shaking in his nervy hand quite rapidly. Was it anger? I dont know. I know that i found it very sad to see. Yes, hes largely the author of this state of affairs, but its still sad to see him and the Club brought to that type of reaction. Hes bewildered and overwhelmed now i think and for his own sense of self worth and health it must surely be time for him to think of throwing in his hand. Ive had the same view on AW for 7 years now but dont want to see him resemble a broken chap. Footballs surely not worth that, even to him. PS seriously hoping the Club sell the guy Sanchez. Thats bloke so over rates himself in my opinion and his scowling, contemptuous face stinks the Club out equally as much as Arsenes team management ever did. Hes another Costa, though with only a fraction of Costas Centre Forward s nous and ability. - Post No. 109420


peter wain  11:49am 30th Aug 2017

it is ridiculous that Wenger is still in charge. We needed massive recruitment in this window 7/8 players at least and for him to say a maximum of 3 players should have had the owner very worried. What ever happens now we cannot keep Sanchez or the Ox or Mustafi. If we had any morale in the dressing room it would be gone in a flash. As for playing people out of position Wenger has a track record on this and never ever successfully. - Post No. 109422


Exeter Ex  11:49am 30th Aug 2017

Don't think there's anyting to argue with in that. Some will wish you hadn't written it, but they won't be able to counter anything in it. It's like having damp in your walls - if the club doesn't act soon it'll just be even more expensive and take even longer to repair the damage. Ron - Sanchez is the reason AFC were 5th rather than 10th last season. Yes he doesn't want to be there and should leave now, but to suggest his presence is as damaging as Wenger's prolonged mismanagement is bizarre, frankly. - Post No. 109423


Yes its Ron  12:01pm 30th Aug 2017

Agree with you on Sanchez. Hes a good player, but no where near World class in my view. May as well be 10th as 5th anyway. AFC wont bother with the the EL. Im still of the view hes very obnoxious and disruptive, masked by his fans as being 'his passion'. Its all balls. If i had a disruptive employee, however committed , he or she would be gone in the blink of an eye. No player is EVER bigger than a Club, not even Wengers ramshackle Arsenal FC. - Post No. 109424


Bob Bayliss  12:49pm 30th Aug 2017

Let's not make Sanchez's attitude a scapegoat for Wenger's appalling mismanagement. He's got away with it too many times because supporters have ultimately been angry with players such as calling Ashley Cole and RvP "Judas" for wanting to better themselves. Any manager worth his salt would have earned Sanchez's respect and persuaded him to sign a new deal a year ago. I will be sorry to see Alexis go. - Post No. 109425


Yes its Ron  13:02pm 30th Aug 2017

Hi Bob - im just looking at AS individually, not in context of the AW debacle. Im not sure any Coach will get his respect to be honest. I had no issue with Cole or RVP leaving either. Both wanted better cash but each wanted to win things as each did. The better players who've left us this last 10 years have all been justified in having done so. It never bothers me who leaves. There are few players the World over who really do affect a team by their departures and thinking back to the late 60s when i first went to Highbury, im not totally sure we ve ever had a player who truly rocked the Club to its roots by leaving. Sanchez certainly wont. Hes lauded as he is right now only because hes so much better than the the dross he ll leave behind. That in itself doesnt make his departure a catastrophe. Looking at Arsenal i think theres been a lot of discord in that dressing room for a very long time. Is that all down to Wenger? It could be, but rarely is the sole fault of the Coach in my experience of dressing rooms, albeit at Semi pro level. - Post No. 109426


Bob Bayliss  13:23pm 30th Aug 2017

Gee, Ron, it never bothers you that so many outstanding players have left our club over the past 12 years? It sure as hell bothers me, because it confirms that they realise that we are not ambitious and that they will stand a better chance of winning things under another manager than this clown. - Post No. 109427


Cyril  14:35pm 30th Aug 2017

If this continues, Wenger could leave us as club outside the top 7. That in itself is pretty hard to do. The truth is with a club the size of Arsenal, it is near impossible to finish a season now without Euro football. The money in the PL is more than enough for the likes of WBA for e.g to want Euro footy. It's a case of 'We cannot be bothered, 8th -10th will do fine. After you sir!' Wenger's greatest personal achievement now would be able to finish out of Europe and still keep his job. Apart from the despotic, narcissist that he has become, he actually thinks he is doing us a favour. 'I will not be here when you are 15th position'. That's correct your still here and we are in 16th. You bloody idiot!!!! - Post No. 109429


Paulward  14:58pm 30th Aug 2017

Had twenty quid us to go down yesterday 750/1. Might have a bit more if we don't sign replacements for the lengthening list of departees. Looks like we'll have our weakest squad in twenty years come Friday morning, coupled with the poorest coach in the premier league. Fair to say there may be trouble ahead. - Post No. 109430


mbg  15:04pm 30th Aug 2017

Many weren't caught out at all Adam, many could see it coming, knew it was coming for years, (and were right)knew it was going to get worse, could see it getting worse, (and were right) it's just that others didn't believe us (or want to believe us) and just kept their head buried in various dark holes refusing to believe(and still do) and it's going to get a hell of a lot worse under this old past it arrogant fraud, and as the chant goes, And now you better believe us, and now you better believe us. - Post No. 109431


Yes its Ron  15:08pm 30th Aug 2017

In footie today Bob, they move on anyway. Players are transient. I take yr point but i dont think its a total reflection on the Club left behind once said player moves. The last one who upset me by moving in 1966 was my schoolboy hero, Joe Baker. Now that did hurt!! As Neville said, the whole job lot could leave Arsenal right now and i think we d be the better for it in the medium term. Wengers players have his paw prints all over them right down to the type of personality he seeks in players. They've been weak willed and rather feint hearted for years. Watching them play and their body language has made that self evident to all apart from those who blatantly dont want to see and recognise it. The Wenger regime and those who back it has become a type of cult. Im sure its unique in football here. They like his suaveness and studied persona irrespective of the net effect on the pitch. Reality is that theres an air of football snobbishness amongst Arsenal fans and there always has been that element amongst us. Wengers characteristics feed that self image they hold perfectly. Not for Arsenal fans a Tony Pulis, Sean Dyche or a Mark Hughes type of gravelly bloke, they wouldnt be 'good enough' for Arsenal. This is why oppo fans are revelling in our demise. Its pay back time for all the insults Wenger and many of our fans have thrown at other teams and their fans for years. - Post No. 109432


CBee  15:11pm 30th Aug 2017

The Arsenal propaganda machine has been full on today trying to make the selling of Sanchez look like a good thing. But a good article in the torygraph puts paid to that load of bull http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/30/arsenal-players-wanting-alexis-sanchez-go-no-surprise-dont/ - Post No. 109433


Moscowgooner  15:22pm 30th Aug 2017

That is a brilliant article in the DT; sums it all up really. The cult of mediocrity. Civil war at the Emirates throughout this season - but on the other hand is there anyone left out there to support the Great Leader (Crook Kroenke apart)? The overthrow of the regime is nigh and it will be bloody.... - Post No. 109434


Cyril  15:22pm 30th Aug 2017

Ron, I like your stuff, but your wrong to lambast Sanchez for his attitude. There are plenty more players you should be psychologically analysing before him. Look how many goals he has scored. Look at how many players he takes out of the game when he is on form. Look at his attitude when he sees players not trying. He is nothing short of excellent in both attitude on the pitch since he has been here and his normality off it. He really wanted to do well for this club. The dross at this club - and you dig Sanchez out for wanting to win. If we were dealing with a Manager on top of his game at the helm, I could maybe question Sanchez, but we are not. Look at how many players have gone because they are winners. Lets go on having these benign players cleaning up salaries being 'nice' instead ..... ??????? - Post No. 109435


markymark  15:51pm 30th Aug 2017

Yes it's Ron - spot on my friend. I recently put the very Pro Wenger supporters into two camps. Type 1 just as you describe often seeing Wenger as an extension of their corporate lives probably a fair sized portion of the base. Type 2 a very different beast entirely, far more willing to engage in group think, alternative reality guff like referee conspiracies and a potential for violence if feeling threatened. I recently met this type of individual in the work environment, it was a real head scratching experience . He wove a series of lies tying up numbers of my staff with continual complaints, he was both paranoid and subject to outbursts. I had to spend 2 days basically managing the guy out of visiting our branch. Trying to break the ice I made a gentle comment about Arsene . What I got back was a wow moment with him going into an outburst saying he was prepared for violence, a real oddball. I wouldn't have read too much into it accept it had very similar traits to traffic on Untold and some previous posters on here. It really is a cult for some of them. For the record TOOAW has associated himself with the second group. Going onward post Wenger we may see further schisms , does someone who claims loyalty to the Arsenal Manager ( a very Wengerite trait , not seen so much under previous managers ) suddenly go against the new manager if he is a failure? Will some peel away realising it was Arsene for them not Arsenal? It's going to get interesting as it appears Wenger and Ivan's appeal for fans to unite is finally happening. Sadly for those two it's against them. - Post No. 109436


The Man From UNCLE  15:56pm 30th Aug 2017

For heaven's sake Mr Wenger, do the decent thing and call it a day. This death of a thousand cuts cannot continue. - Post No. 109437


Yes its Ron  16:55pm 30th Aug 2017

Hi Cyril - respect to you ever Cyril. I dont agree his attitude is wonderful though. I can only agree that on his day he can be a very good player. Hes not on his day very often and hasnt been for ages though. Hes high maintenance and id wager that with the same approach in many other Clubs some team mate would have chinned him well before now. Hes disparaging to team mates not a driver of men like Roy Keane was. Ive seen Sanchez s type 'taken out' in a few dressing rooms ive been in down the years. He gets away with it with our alter boys though whoa re intimidated by him in my view. - Post No. 109438


Cyril  17:18pm 30th Aug 2017

Yes Ron, I can see that. In a team full of adams, vieira, parlour, bergkamp, known et al- he wouldn't be the big cheese. That said, in this set up he stands out. I can see resemblances when we had only Wright in the 'cup team' that came after the solidity of the 91 team. It was not Wright's fault it went that way. Sanchez is the stand out player in a bad set up and I'd have to make the calculated decision to nurse him. I wish it was different but that's what we have. In the past, I would say sell him as you would hope it would get re-invested. That's not the case now. I get the feeling, they want him to play up even more to deflect the blame, when they cash in. These are all young people or certainly spend the time in the company of much younger in terms of maturity. Wenger is a master at deflecting the blame and this is his latest catch of the day sadly! - Post No. 109439


Yes its Ron  17:24pm 30th Aug 2017

Hi Marky - agree with you totally there. The incoming Coach who replaces Wenger is on a hiding to nothing going there from the Wenger at all costs fraternity. They wont give a new chap an inch in the face of a few defeats but will bore you to death propagating the view of what 'Arsene would have done'had he still have been there ........ etc etc. I hope hes a strong bloke as he ll need to be. He wont get near the blind loyalty from them that AW has had. I personally think Arsenal will have to endure a Moyes period anyway. Might as well bring Rioch back for a few months and let him fulfil the party pooper role before getting a real Coach in. Van Gaal never shook off the 'we want Fergie back crowd' at Utd and hes a top level Coach, or at least was when he went there. The AW acolytes will want a head on a plate for sure to offer up to their AW alters. Yr right in that the Club is riddled with unquestioning fans whove known no different and a Board that hasn't either. Its a recipe for stagnancy and thats what the Clubs got. A new man will need to go in there with his hob nailed boots, purge the place and kick a few stubborn mindsets well into the long grass. Good luck new bloke! - Post No. 109440


Yes its Ron  17:40pm 30th Aug 2017

Hi Cyril. Yes, a Coach in the modern game will seek to assuage ASs intemperance and intolerance as you say. I personally wouldn't. I think i would prefer to have him round the throat myself, in front of the team so to pass the message that he can shape up or f--k off. The message is then conveyed to all, while at the same time showing them that do try hard in a positive way that they're appreciated. Football dressing rooms understand that method in my experience and respect the Coach for it. Tolerance and nursing only goes so far i believe. This Board do that to Wenger for fear of treading on his corns and look at what its got for them? For me, once a players head is inflated to a level where the doors need widening, he can f--k off. AS for me is in that category and has been ages. Yr point on Wrighty is a good one. He was Arsenals difference between winning games and not winning for quite a while wasnt he. Difference was, he appreciated it,never went into diva mode like Sanchez has and his team mates respected him as being vital to their win bonus's. - Post No. 109441


GETWENGEROUT  18:01pm 30th Aug 2017

THIS YES ITS RON CHAP. ITS TALKING UTTER NONSENSE> WITHOUT SANCHEZ LAST SEASON WE FINISH MID TABLE MAN. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? HE SCORED OVER 20 PL GOALS AND HAD OVER 15 ASSISTS. WHY DO ALL OUR BEST PLAYERS WANT TO LEAVE, AFTER THEY ARE CONNED INTO SIGNING FOR US? I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BEEN A FLY ON THE WALL LISTENING TO WHAT WENGER WAS TELLING SANCHEZ PRIOR TO HIM SIGNING FOR US?? HE MUST HAVE SOLD HIM A PILE OF NONSENSE. WENGER IS A JOKE AND AS I SAID WHEN HE SINGED FOR TWO MORE YEARS OF FAILURE, THAT IT WILL JUST GET WORSE. HE IS THE PROBLEM. THE FOOL COULD HAVE MESSI, RAMOS, NEYMAR, HECK THE WHOLE REAL MADRID SQUAD AND HE WILL STILL FAIL TO WIN THE PL OR CL! THAT IS WHY HE DID NOT WANT TO GO TO A BIGGER CLUB THAN ARSENAL HE WOULD HAVE GOT EXPOSED. SACKED WITHIN A YEAR LIKE A DOG. - Post No. 109442


CBee  18:16pm 30th Aug 2017

Getwengerout, spot on mate. No way would he have gone to a big club after Arsenal.He would have ben found out very quckly. He is and was an average manger who happened to be in the right place at the right time. A bit like a lottery winner - Post No. 109443


CBee  18:28pm 30th Aug 2017

So the Ox is 90% certain going to Liverpool. It will be intersting to see how he devlops under Klopp. I've always rated him and thought he could be a top class player workimg under a good manager. - Post No. 109445


Seven Kings Gooner1  18:36pm 30th Aug 2017

The Ox going is part of Wenger finishing 100 million up at the end of transfer deadline, that was his promise to Kronke to make up for not getting the CL money and also why he got the extra two years. If he can get money and a player for Sanchez all well and good but he has to tip over the 100 mill. What happens after transfer deadline who knows, more academy players promoted perhaps, I know one thing neither Kronke or Wenger give a flying ....... - Post No. 109446


hibeegunner  18:44pm 30th Aug 2017

Yes it's Ron One thing for certain he would have been out the door had G G Been in charge and Frank Mclintock would have had him up against the dressing room wall. I agreed with you about Joe Baker top player and oh how we could do with him and his like now - Post No. 109447


Scruff  18:48pm 30th Aug 2017

With the fan (laughable) base we have now attending games there is no way Wenger will resign, we have day trippers and corporate match day experience, can you imagine this happening back in the days of terraces when us 'scum' as we were labelled by the media, attended. There would have been a riot he would be sacked by a board of directors who answered to the fan base they now answer to no one. How the tide has turned on the mocking Arsenal fans who for years laughed at tottingham for fielding a full strength team in cup games whilst we fielded the youth team. I never wanted to hate the man but I am getting there. - Post No. 109448


Hi Berry  18:56pm 30th Aug 2017

Markymark..I'm beginning to wonder whether Gazidis should be tarred with the same brush as Wenger (re: your end comment of the fans uniting against both of them). Towards the end of last season when the protests were going on I emailed Gazidis just to express my dismay at the state the club was in. Surprisingly, later on that afternoon, I received a phone call from someone in Gazidis' office on the pretext of 'gauging fans' feelings and views'. At the time I thought it was just a club PR exercise to give the impression they care about the fans but the more I think about it I'm wondering whether Gazidis has been playing a very shrewd game. His comments regarding 'catalyst for change' and wanting to install a Director of Football - arrogantly dismissed by Wenger - appeared to put him very definitely against Wenger in a power struggle which, on the face of it, he lost hands down. The fact that he is still there and didn't resign as a result is curious and could mean one of two things: 1) He was, in fact, just playing lip service to the fans giving the impression things would change over the summer or: 2) He could see the parlous state players' contracts were in and was content to bide his time and watch Wenger's world and team unravel as a result. Wenger has now painted himself into a corner by refusing to make major changes to the way he operates, lying to the fans regarding players being sold and his disparaging comments regarding a DoF whereas Gazidis now looks as if he (and a couple of Board members) was pressing for change. Wenger was given a very long piece of rope with the new contract and it looks like he is beginning to hang himself very slowly with it. Could be, of course, that Gazidis is part of the problem and is thick as thieves with Wenger...but it could also mean that Gazidis is a shrewd corporate mover looking to be victorious in the longer term. - Post No. 109449


mbg  19:05pm 30th Aug 2017

Exeter, spot on, the damp/virus has spread so bad now (and being allowed to)it's going to take longer and be more expensive to put right and fix (some would say if fixable at all)but I believe like many do it can and we all know how, which brings me back to the AKB's and wengerites and these fans who couldn't see, or could see and didn't want to admit it, such was their support for a manager and not the club(and indeed still is)and backed him way back and stuck by him four, five, six, seasons ago in the false hope that he would come good, if they'd got their head out, fingers out and seen what many others seen and admitted it at the time and helped and supported them then (instead of ridiculing them calling them names and telling them to f**k of down the lane etc, etc) in getting the parasite out we'd have been well on our way now, we'd have the expected dip (that we'll surely have and expected anyway) when he goes well over us by now, rebuilding with new back room staff, coaches etc, players, and manager (maybe even our second one) in place and well on his way to rebuilding and getting us back to where we were and should be with proper traditions and fight etc, and all the fans enjoying Arsenal and our football again. Now ? we still have it all ahead of us, we still have it all to do, we're as far away from that as we've ever been, and like I've already said it's getting worse as everyday passes the virus is spreading and it's going to take longer and be harder. wenger out now. - Post No. 109450


markymark  19:27pm 30th Aug 2017

Hi Berry - I really hope you're right . I mean in the corporate world and Arsenal is so corporate it hurts. Screaming resignations are now virtually unheard of. Everything is managed tightly through HR protocol and I know from my limited experience having words in corners with staff to say next one and you're out son are a thing of the past. I dish out warnings impassively , make no negative comment , wish them well and wait for the next one. Seemingly if you are proved correct they've had a conversation with Wenger after a split decision that did not lead to resignation. He's been asked to fulfill his vision and inspire solidarity amongst Arsenal supporters. If it is then seen that he has failed to achieve this he is then invited to resign. I just hope you're right, I really do. - Post No. 109451


Alsace  19:29pm 30th Aug 2017

I am gently amused by the hysteria ( a state I have lived in for so many years that I'm now more chilled about it) which has finally gripped virtually all of our brethren. This has spilled out into the wider world with the excellent telegraph article about the consequence free environment that Arsenal has become. It really is time for the board to come out and say publicly what they think of Wenger. What on earth do they have to lose? They can't need the money. Everybody needs to be very vocal about the creature and what he is doing. His entire day should be a wall of derision coming his way. Let's make it happen. - Post No. 109452


Moscowgooner  19:39pm 30th Aug 2017

Hi Berry - the flaw in your theory on Gazidis is that it's Kroenke who calls all the shots. He seems to have complete and blind belief in AW - I doubt that he has even registered the poor start to the season. Gazidis might be a 'shrewd corporate mover' if he had a 'shrewd corporation' to work on rather than a guy 3000 miles away who knows nothing about 'Saccer' - and cares even less. - Post No. 109453


Paulward  20:50pm 30th Aug 2017

Apparently Chamberlain has taken a 50k a week pay cut to get away from Arsenal,says it all really.Slowly but surely the Wenger myth is being exposed, he is running out of apologists in the press, on the board and in the stands.Would he survive being 10th and out of Europe at Christmas?Lets hope the end is nearer than we think. - Post No. 109454


Seven Kings Gooner1  21:51pm 30th Aug 2017

Arsenal are the first football club in history were the manager loses the dressing room and the manager then gets rid of the dressing room! - Post No. 109455


Yes its Ron  22:13pm 30th Aug 2017

GETWENGEROUT - ILL BOW TO YR GREATER WISDOM MATE WITH ALL OF THOSE CAPITALS.(BY GOOD IT FEELS GOOD DOESNT IT) YOUVE NEARLY ANSWERED YR OWN QUESTION THOUGH MY FRIEND. ITS MY VIEW THAN WHEN A PLAYER LIKE SANCHEZ ARRIVES AT A CLUB LIKE ARSENAL FROM SUCH AS BARCA ETC ETC THE SALE ONWARDS IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME ASSUMING SAID PLAYER DOES OK AS SANCHEZ AS DONE. ARSENAL ARE A STEPPING STONE CLUB. THE COAH KNOWS THE SALE IS INEVITABLE, SO DOES THE OWNER FROM DAY 1. ITS JUST A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH PROFIT THEY CAN REAP. ITS THE ROLE OF SILLY FANS AND PUNDITS TO NAIVELY THINK SUCH CLUBS LIKE ARSENAL CAN STOP THE FLOW OF SALES. THEY CANT AND STUPID TO THINK THEY CAN. ARSENAL ARE A SMALL FRY CLUB NOW VIS CITY BARCA MADRID MUNICH UTD AND CO. HOW LONG WILL FANS TAKE TO LEARN AND ACCEPT THIS? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR FANS TO LEARN THAT CONTRACTS ARE FOR CLUBS BENEFIT TO PROP UP SALE PRICES. THEY DONT STOP SALES AND CLUBS ARENT WANTING TO STOP THEM. DESPITE WHAT THEY SAY, THE CLUBS LIKE THE BOSMAN RULING. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK ARSENAL CD HAVE HELD RVP FROM 2004 HAD HE HAVE NOT HAD 7 INJURY RAVAGED YEARS? HAD HE NOT HAVE DONE HE WD HAVE BEEN GONE BY 2008 FOR TOP DOLLAR, REST ASSURED. FIRST TIME HE HAD A RUN OF GAMES - GONE. TOP PRICE, THATS REALITY NOW. DREAM ON IF YOU THINK ARSENAL ARENT A SELLING CLUB. 8 OR 9 TOP PLAYERS NOW MUST BE, ALL TO THE SO CALLED TOP PL CLUBS TELLS YOU SO. SANCHEZ WILL GO FOR 60 ODD MILLION. A GOOD PRICE FOR A HIGH MAINTENANCE 2ND TIER PLAYER IN MY VIEW. IM MAYBE SPEAKING RUBBISH AS YOU SAY,BUT ITS SO GOOD TO SHOUT IT LOUDLY LIKE THIS ANS SANCHEZ AND OTHERS LIKE HIM TO FOLLOW WILL PASS THROUGH THE GROVE DOORS AND STILL MOVE ON TO THE HIGHEST BIDDERS, LONG CONTRACTS SIGNED OR NOT. - Post No. 109456


John F  22:51pm 30th Aug 2017

So far Arsenal are in 27mil profit with transfer dealings if Sanchez goes could be 87mil that really is what this summer transfer window is about for Wiggy and Arsene.Even if we get a replacement Arsenal will still make a profit and not spent a penny of the TV money.They are even leaking to the press via David Ornstein that there is no money left for transfers unless we sell Sanchez. - Post No. 109457


Time for change  23:03pm 30th Aug 2017

The time to protest is back. I won't be respectful. Get that deluded, senile, arrogant piece of **** out of my club now. - Post No. 109458


Petergooner  7:22am 31st Aug 2017

TODAYS THE DAY. I AM VERY ANXIOUS. WE CANNOT SELL SANCHEZ, PLEASE, PLEASE. Sterling is nowhere near as good as Sanchez. People are saying the only way forward is to sell all our primadonnas and start again with the youngsters and Jack Wilshire as captain. I agree with this especially about Jack but if this was put to Wenger he would say "Oh yes great idea I have done this before so I will stay on another 3/4years to help them proceed and develope". Unfortunately good ideas sometimes have hidden problems (in this case a really big problem?). WENGER HAS GOT TO GO NOW, TAKE STAN KRONKE AND THE BOARD WITH YOU TO RUIN SOMEONE ELSES TEAM. Thierry, Denis and Patrick come back and save our club. - Post No. 109459


markymark  7:48am 31st Aug 2017

WHY IS EVERYONE SHOUTING? Petergooner, I'm not sure why you are so bothered ? He doesn't want to play for us, we have no pretensions of winning the title, plus it blows Wengers comments up in his face. Let him go. This to me is far less of a blow than say Liam Brady or RVP. - Post No. 109460


Arseneknewbest  8:07am 31st Aug 2017

Yes it's Ron. I thought your pastiche of GWO was the highlight of the material on here today - I had to put earphones on to read both of them - and thy both make good sense! Sanchez's attiude comes a long way down the list of our problems, but the dog's eggs that were offered up about atom and humber and pouting selfies with said canines were not my taste either. But for onfield bottle and workrate he left many others - Feo? Bellerin? Giroud? anyone? - in the shade. Not as good as his agent thinks he is but the best of a bad bunch iin this current squad. My only hope from today is that it conspires to hasten wengo's departure. If there's an evident lack of signings, it may also help to spread unrest and ill feeling towards Ivan the liar, Stan-K and gaffer's boy gonnella so bring it on... - Post No. 109461


peter wain  8:43am 31st Aug 2017

well today is panick buying day a day wenger excels in. Sanchez best player or not has to be sold. Not to sell him would make the dressing room hell and cause more trouble than he is worth. If we can get £70 million then take the money. At least when the new manager is appointed we will have a decent war chest as we certainly need at least eight players. A period of mid table obscurity beckons and this is all due to the owner who should leave as soon as possible. Clearly we need a major reorganisation and this will take at least two/three years to do. - Post No. 109462


Seven Kings Gooner1  9:05am 31st Aug 2017

John F. You are so right mate, 100 million is the target, a nice round figure for Stan to add to his cash flow chart. It's like a fire sale at the moment, Ron you are so right Arsenal have always been a selling club - Rocky anyone. - Post No. 109463


TonyEvans  9:38am 31st Aug 2017

Ron's right, we have (to a greater or lesser extent) always been a selling club. The obvious tragedy of this is that with a proper, dynamic, manager in place coupled with the spending power we already have in spades, with two of the richest men on the planet as shareholders, we could be the transfer match of virtually any club in the world. Instead we are the laughing stock of football, and this transfer window has to be the worst ever, even by Wenger's appalling standards, and that will still be the case whatever transpires today with the expected sales of Sanchez and the Ox, and the likely desperate, farcical trolley dash. - Post No. 109464


Cyril  10:10am 31st Aug 2017

SKG: you have no idea how funny that is, brilliant!. I used to work in a bank and it was exposed that the Manager was making further deposits after hours with one of my colleagues and there was a whisper, on the table in the back office. Well, there was no way the Manager was going as our branch were ahead in the cluster financially in retail. The lassie was a local and worked part time due to child care and so she needed to stay. These were the days of fax. Finally, the answer came down the fax line. ' If we can't get rid of the Manager and we can't get rid of the lady, then there is no alternative - get rid of the table!'. True story. Are you listening Gazides. It's time for a new dressing room and a lick of paint. Come on Wenger put your hard hat on again my friend!. - Post No. 109465


Yes its Ron  10:37am 31st Aug 2017

Hi Tony. We must look at the window from an AFC self sustaining stability perspective and not forget ourselves. it could be said to be a resounding transfer window success story as it stands. Apparently we re nearly 18 million quid in profit. SKs moustache will curl with pleasure and the phone line to Arsene will be to convey his best congrats all round. - Post No. 109467


TonyEvans  10:44am 31st Aug 2017

Of course Ron - silly me I was forgetting myself and actually looking at how the club was being run in a footballing sense, rather than a business one! - Post No. 109468


Seven Kings Gooner1  11:05am 31st Aug 2017

Cyril: your tale is brilliant, I have a similar story. I worked for an engineering company and we produced components for a large wholesaler. We had such a close relationship with this company that when ever they bought new office equipment they would hand down the old furniture, photo copiers etc. One morning I get a very nice rosewood veneered desk all be it second hand, for my sales office. A few months later one of the buyers from the company who donated the desk comes to see me and sits down smiling to himself. I asked him what was funny, he then told me that said boss of the large wholesaler would show his PA how strong his beautiful rosewood desk was and how it could easily take the weight of two people. The boss of the company did in fact marry his PA and they lived happily ever. That is also a true story and indeed the wholesaler did also get rid of the desk. Great tale Cyril. - Post No. 109471


mbg  14:27pm 31st Aug 2017

Further to my post 109450, on the expected dip I mentioned and a year of mid table obscurity (which expected or indeed might not happen)would it make, or is it any fooking difference to where we are now ? We want wenger out. - Post No. 109487


markymark  19:43pm 31st Aug 2017

Well a round of applause for Monsieur Mugabe . First of all we are left with a player who'd rather be a 100 miles away on s guaranteed cash write off. Then his waning powers of attraction flounder on Lemar. I still remember hearing how Wenger apparently could have run a major company. I'm thinking British Leyland - Post No. 109505


RRM  23:40pm 31st Aug 2017

How is your feeling of optimism fellow Gooners? We have harvested the crop that Arsene sowed many years ago. When I study some of the moves I can't help but feel hopeless about this season, our competitors have done much better. The gambler has gambled again. He has failed again. Two Elite players out of. Others gone. Dissent in the squad. Nowhere near enough takers for his squad of mercenaries who won't move on. Horrible indeed. Jack, Alexis and Mesut laughing their way out the door in 8 months time. How does the old fool get away with it? He's like the young guy at work who keeps coming in pissed on a Saturday morning and because he's related to the owner he gets away with it. Can't stomach any more of this bile. - Post No. 109522


Issue #266 - Out Now!

Gooner Editorial

18th September 2017

Arsenal Show Up At The Bridge

Online Ed – First point at Chelsea since 2011